Author _ Ryan
K / Hosted by _ Katman / Posted _ April 2005
SYNOPSIS
The Integra Type R 5 lug brake conversion is popular amongst EG, DC, and EK owners,
whether it be for the OEM quality bolt-on brake
upgrade or to fit the 5x114 bolt-pattern variety
of wheels on their cars. The conversion offers
282mm diameter rotors up front and 260mm rotors
in the rear. This is roughly 1" more all around than a stock Integra. Not only that, but the front calipers
are significantly larger (although still the
single-piston sliding type). The reason you
don't see this conversion on DA's and EF's
very often is because it is not a true bolt-on
procedure. But it's not painful. I'll show
you how to do it. Read on for installation procedures.
The
Three-Line Explanation
:
- The
rear bolts up.
- Machine the itr hubs to fit the DA/EF bearings.
- If you have an EF, use civic EX (4 door)
or Si-R knuckles.
Not
good enough? Then keep reading...
PARTS SHOPPING LIST:
DA |
EF |
Entire
5 lug conversion from a wrecked ITR
(you don't need the control arms, but
they're nice to have). |
Entire
5 lug conversion from a wrecked ITR
(you don't need the control arms, but
they're nice to have). |
Set
of 5x114 wheels |
Set
of 5x114 wheels |
New
DA front wheel bearings |
New
90-91 EX wheel bearings |
|
Front
knuckles from 90-91 EX or EF Si-R |
|
4040
proportioning valve from DA |
OR
DA |
EF |
Complete
rear ITR trailing arms |
Complete
rear ITR trailing arms |
Front
ITR hubs |
Front
ITR hubs |
Front
ITR/Accord Wagon/Prelude calipers and
rotors |
Front
ITR/Accord Wagon/Prelude calipers and
rotors |
Set
of 5x114 wheels |
Set
of 5x114 wheels |
New
DA front wheel bearings |
New
90-91 EX wheel bearings |
|
Front
knuckles from 90-91 EX or EF Si-R |
|
4040
proportioning valve from DA |
NOTE: Stock
ITR wheels are 15x6 +50 offset, while GS-R
wheels are 15x6 +45 offset. This is because
the
ITR hubs push the track out 5mm on all four
corners. If you're not using the stock ITR
wheels, make sure the spokes will clear the
front calipers. Lower offset doesn't necessarily
mean it will clear (spoke design is a much
bigger factor). Prices on used car parts vary
dramatically. EF owners... figure out whatever
axle spline issues you're going to have before
you get started.
NOTE: Although the ITR caliper is still a single-piston design, the caliper
and the piston are much bigger than the stock
DA. Also, the front brake pads are very similar
in size, but when measured, the ITR pad has
more surface area.
INSTALLATION
OF REAR BRAKES:
This part of the install is quite literally a bolt on process. The e-brake cables
from the Type R are unnecessary if you have
a DA. If you have an EF with drums in the rear,
you will need some form of Integra cables.
When you switch over the trailing arms, just
undo the cables and reattach to the new arms.
If you look under your trailing arms on the
car, there are two bolts underneath the arm
on each side holding it to the chassis. There
is also another bolt that holds the compensator
arm to the chassis. After undoing these, only
the rear upper and lower control arms and the
brake lines are holding it onto the car. It's
still questionable whether or not you can use
your stock brake lines on all four corners...
if you can, make sure your 5 lug comes with
the brake lines. The ITR ones work fine (great,
even). After comparing, the ITR rear upper
control arms appeared to be the exact same
dimensions as the DA one. If your setup came
with the ITR ones, use them. Newer bushings
are good.
Special
Note: I've probably been asked this same
question more than a dozen times... "Don't I HAVE to use the ITR springs/shocks and control arms?" NO! For the love of poo, just use your current springs, shocks and rear LCA's!
They bolt onto the ITR trailing arm just
fine! Please don't ask this question anymore!
Extra
Note: The geometry of the actual physical
ITR trailing arm does differ from the DA
one slightly, but ultimately, all the bolt
holes line up perfectly with the chassis
and after the much needed wheel alignment
that follows this conversion, the geometry
difference will not be an issue.
After
you're done, the rears should look
something like this:
MACHINE SHOP TIME!
This is where the 5 lug conversion ceases to be a bolt-on procedure, but rest
assured, if done properly, your conversion
will have OEM fit and quality.
Hydro
Presses Are Fun: Ultimately, you will need
to wind up with hubless DA/EF(Si-R/EX) knuckles
and bare ITR hubs. Take all your junk down
to the machine shop and have them press all
the hubs and bearings out of whatever knuckles
you have. Don't throw anything away quite
yet.
NOTE: for DA Owners: If you can, try to get yourself
a spare pair of DA knuckles instead of
reusing the ones on your car. First of
all, people
seem to just be giving these away and secondly,
you'd be minimizing the amount of downtime
your car has. Also, depending on how you
do it, you might only need to make one
trip to the machine shop.
While
the hubs and bearings are out of the DA/EF(Si-R/EX)
knuckles, now's the time to decide what to
do with the dust/splash shields. You can
either cut your stock ones, move over the
ITR ones (the screw holes line up perfectly),
or just leave them off altogether. Any of
these are fine. In the second picture, note
the offset difference between the two hubs.
SHAVE THOSE HUBS:
Before you do this, it's important to know why you have to do this. The DA/EF(Si-R/EX)
wheel bearings have a different inner and outer
diameter than the DC/EG/EK (and ITR) wheel
bearings, which means the shaft of the hub
is of a different diameter as well. This is
why you can't just press out the DA/EF(Si-R/EX)
hubs and press in the ITR ones.
This
is the tried and true method. What I did
was bring my old DA hubs, new and old DA
bearings, and ITR hubs to the machine shop.
They spec'ed the diameter of the shaft of
the DA hub and put my ITR hubs on a crank
grinder to be machined down to the appropriate
size. I can't remember the exact figure,
but they took off somewhere around 3mm off
the diameter of the shaft of the ITR hubs.
Despite what I say, you or the machine shop
should measure your bearings/hubs.
A
fter this, have the new pair of DA/EF(Si-R/EX)
wheel bearings pressed into your DA/EF(Si-R/EX)
knuckles. Then have your newly machined ITR
hubs pressed into these said bearings. Here's
the part number for the DA bearings (trivia:
same part number for late 80's Prelude).
The second picture is of my freshly machined ITR hubs. Nice and shiny! The third
picture is the DA knuckle with the ITR splash
shield attached and DA bearing and ITR hub
pressed in.
MOUNTING THE KNUCKLES:
Begin by removing your old knuckles. On each side, remove the axle nut (having
an air gun makes this quite a bit easier).
After that, undo the brake line from the
chassis hardline and catch all the dripping
brake fluid. Next, remove the 3 cotter pins
and castle nuts to separate the 3 ball joints
(one for each control arm and one for the
tie rod). The knuckle should then be free
from the car.
Installing your new 5 lug knuckles
is the exact reverse of removal. Make sure
you use your stock DA/EF upper and lower
control arms.
Idiot's
ask: " Why can't I just use the stock Type R knuckles and avoid all this machining?" The main reason is the difference in the curvature of the steering knuckles
as shown:
If you
use the DC2 knuckles, you'll wind up with
some pretty severe alignment issues in
the front (massive amounts of negative
caster
and positive camber).
Anyway, now your 5 lug knuckles should be mounted to your car. Time to see if
the machining and pressing was done properly.
RUN-OUT
TEST:
If you look at your FSM, you'll see the runout spec for the hubs is 0.002". What this means is that when you spin the hub, the surface of the hub should
remain nearly perfectly flat. If your bearing
is bad or the machining is off, the surface
of the hub will wobble and cause premature
wear/warpage of the rotors. What you do is
set up a dial gauge and mount it to your knuckle.
The needle should not move anymore than 0.002".
If you're looking for a cheap dial gauge and magnetic base stand, I picked up
both at Harbor Freight on sale for $17 total.
Made in Chiiina, but gets the job done and
can't beat the price!
FINISHING
UP THE FRONTS:
Now that your runout is nice and in spec, pop your rotors on and screw them down.
Load up your calipers with pads and bolt those
on. Finally, attach the brake lines.
The first picture is a comparison between the fully assembled stock DA knuckle
and ITR-spec DA knuckle. The last picture
is what it should look like after you're
all done.
PROPORTIONING:
EF owners... get yourself a 4040 proportioning valve from a wrecked DA to gain
the proper front/rear brake biasing. DA owners...
rejoice. You're done! Bleed the hell out
of your brake system as specified by the
FSM and go for a test drive (go slow... it'd
be a shame to find out your brakes don't
work when you're driving 55+mph).
IMPRESSIONS:
After your test drive, you should notice that the brake pedal feels considerably
more sensitive to input and you're stopping
a lot quicker. Performance-wise, this means
later braking before diving into turns and
a greater feeling of control. Be sure to
familiarize yourself with the new brakes...
they are quite a bit more powerful and easier
to lock up if you don't have ABS.
UPGRADES:
Can't get enough? There are a variety of things you can do such as trying new
pads, stainless steel brake lines (be sure
to buy for Integra Type R application), or
a different fluid. But the ultimate in improving
pedal feel is installing a JDM Type R booster
and master cylinder (yes, you probably noticed
your brake pedal now has more squish before
the pads bite down).
Nissin makes Cup Noodles... and Japanese brake components.
You're
looking at a JDM ITR 1" master
cylinder + brake booster in my car.
So
let me break this down so there are no more
rumors or speculation. I rolled on my 5 lug
for almost two years with my stock 15/16" master and booster. No matter how much I bled, there was still a bit of initial
mush in the pedal before you feel the clamping
force of the big brakes. All non-ABS/ALB
DA's had a 15/16" mc and all ABS/ALB DA's had a 1" mc. What's worse, most EF's have a 7/8" mc (talk about mush-city). Seems easy enough... just get an ABS/ALB DA mc.
Here's
what you didn't know. Both of the flare nuts
on the hardlines going to the master cylinder
on a non-ABS/ALB DA/EF are 10mm. The ABS/ALB
one is a 10mm and a 12mm. My suggestion?
Remove the entire hardline going from the
proportioning valve to the rear port on the
mc. Take it to a machine shop and have them
do a quality reflare. If you do it at home
with a cheap kit, chances are, it's going
to leak like crazy.
Or
do what I did. The JDM ITR booster and mc
bolted right up. You NEED the booster since
this master cylinder and the stock DA/EF
one have different bolt patterns. The rear
hardline bolted right into the master cylinder...
it was aligned perfectly and was 10mm (if
the mc was USDM, the port would be on the
reverse side). The front was almost that
easy. No reflaring necessary. You could do
it one of two ways:
-
Use a small pipe bender (like I was
going to do) and have the hardline
come around
from the other side of the master cylinder.
With proper bends, you can get it to
line up perfectly and be just the
right length
(and look seeexy).
-
Do what I did. Pull the hardline
out of the first bracket on the firewall.
That
generated
enough slack to basically put the
flare nut right into the port.
Conclusion:
1/16" difference
doesn't seem like much, but the difference
in pedal feel was literally night and day.
Any slop before the calipers
bit down vanished. As soon as you put your
foot down, it's biting down hard. I actually
had to relearn how to heel/toe downshift
because the brake pedal now requires a
different feel for modulation. This'll
definitely screw
me up at the next track day. This is how
full Type R brakes are SUPPOSED to feel
(enormously crazy on a stripped out EF).
Was
it worth it? For me, yes. BUT the install
was one of the most painful things I've
had to do on my car. Some people will tell
you
it's impossible with the motor still in
the car. Others'll say it's totally do-able.
I say it's only possible if you're a closet-contortionist
with baby hands who loves masochism. And
your shock tower WILL get scratched up.
Along
with your arms and hands. If you're going
to do this, I highly suggest you do it
while your motor is out. If you don't have
5 lug
and your motor is still in... don't even
bother. It's totally not worth it.
Lastly,
you can go crazy and get Spoon calipers (which
now bolt right on). They make a huge difference
over stock ITR brakes (much more difficult
to lock up and excellent feel). This entire
setup on an EF is absolutely INSANE!
The information in this article applies
to:
- 90-93
Acura Integra (any model)
- 88-91 Honda Civic & CRX
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